Standard Weights for Implements

Work in Progress! Still collecting some feedback before finalizing.

Heavy Athlete's Weight Matrix

	Pro Men	Amateur Men	Pro / Amateur Women
Braemar Stone	22	20	12
Open Stone	16	Same as Pro	8
Heavy Weight	56	Same as Pro	28
Light Weight	28	Same as Pro	14
Heavy Hammer	22	Same as Pro	16
Light Hammer	16	Same as Pro	12
Sheaf	20	16	10
WOB	56	Same as Pro	28

Weights are reported in pounds.
Notes:

All weights listed are the minimum weight allowed for the implement.
The only implement with a maximum weight is the open stone. It must be less than or equal to the weight of the Braemar stone used by that class at that game.

Review My Reasoning

Note: Hey Matt can we make shotputs official open stones here? I'm for it. Although I may mention it under legal lengths and whatnot.

Heavy Athlete's Masters Weight Matrix

	Masters Men 40-59	Masters Men 60+	Masters Women 40-59	Masters Women 60+
Braemar Stone	22	12	22	12
Open Stone	16	8	16	8
Heavy Weight	42	21	35	14
Light Weight	28	14	21	9
Heavy Hammer	22	16	16	12
Light Hammer	16	12	12	8
Sheaf	16	16	10	10
WOB	42	21	35	14

Weights are reported in pounds.
Notes:

All weights listed are the minimum weight allowed for the implement.
The only implement with a maximum weight is the open stone. It must be less than or equal to the weight of the Braemar stone used by that class at that game.

Review My Reasoning

Heavy Athlete's Adaptive Weight Matrix

	Seated		Lower Limb		Upper Limb		Neuro/Muscular
Gender	Men	Women	Men	Women	Men	Women	Men	Women
Braemar Stone	13	9	20	13	20	13	20	13
Open Stone	8	6	16	8	16	8	16	8
Heavy Weight	28	14	42	28	42	28	42	28
Light Weight	14	8	28	14	28	14	28	14
Heavy Hammer	16	12	16	12	12	12	16	12
Light Hammer	12	8	12	8	N/A	8	12	8
Sheaf	10	8	16	10	10	8	16	12
WOB	21	14	42	28	42	28	42	28

Weights are reported in pounds. Notes: 1. All weights listed are the **minimum** weight allowed for the implement. 2. The only implement with a maximum weight is the open stone. It must be less than or equal to the weight of the Braemar stone used by that class at that game. - [[Footnotes for Standard Weights|Review my reasoning]]

Heavy Athlete's Weight Matrix for Unlisted Classes

If your class isn't covered by one of the tables above it is probably because you are a sub class of one of the above. For example I know everyone just says "Lightweights" but the name of the class is "Lightweight Amateur Men". Therefore use the Amateur Men weight matrix.

A few other exceptions:

Juniors:
- I haven't added support for a Junior class. Review my reasoning
- For now I would say they should use the Amateur matrix for their gender.
- This effectively makes them a flight not a class.
- If as an AD you choose to use a different weight matrix for Juniors, enter the results as custom events. This will allow the scores to recorded without polluting the main rankings.
Novice:
- This is probably contentious but I don't think Novice is a real class.
- Heavy Athlete's motto is literally, "Learn, Compete, Celebrate". I believe novices have self admitted to being exclusively in the learning stage.
- Once you compete I think you do so "for the love of thing" which by definition makes you an amateur.
- Keeping track of everyone's first? first five? first how many? games as a separate class seems foolish.
- Without strict rules, people would be able to drop down to novice just to chase glory.
- The last thing to think about is what if a Olympian comes to our sport and competes for the first time as a pro? Do you want me to list him as Novice Pro. I won't do that.
- In conclusion. Treat novices like rookies and take them under your wing. Help them learn, watch them compete and celebrate their accomplishments. But let them be amateurs while you do.

Other Organizations' Weight Matrices

Note: I have added critiques to most / all of these. I think that all of these are excellent and think highly of the people who took the time to write all this down but there are inconsistencies in every single one. Additionally basically none of them agree with each other on everything which is why we have constructed our own.

NASGA

	Pro Men	Men	Women	Master	Amateur Men
Braemar Stone	22+	20-26	13-18	No Change	No Change
Open Stone	Same as Men	16-22	8-12	No Change	No Change
Heavy Weight	Same as Men	56	28	42 or 56	No Change
Light Weight	Same as Men	28	14	28	No Change
Heavy Hammer	Same as Men	22	16	No Change	No Change
Light Hammer	Same as Men	16	12	No Change	No Change
Sheaf	Same as Men	20	12	16 or 20	16 or 20
WOB	Same as Men	56	28	42 or 56	No Change

Weights are reported in pounds. View the page I constructed this table from
Pro Men Braemar information. Celtic Classic Rules

Critiques:

Technically it would be possible for men to throw a heavier open stone than Braemar. I think this should be disallowed. Braemar should always be heavier than open. With this addendum I think the ranges are fine.
Instead of the x or y weights for masters and amateur men a lot of headache on my end could have been spared if they had simply listed them as x+ instead. I think that this is the start of that trend.

MASA

	Amateur		Master		Pro		Women
Event	Standard MASA Wt.	Acceptable Range	Standard MASA Wt.	Acceptable Range	Standard MASA Wt.	Acceptable Range	Standard MASA Wt.	Acceptable Range
Braemar Stone	25	22-28	25	22-28	25	22-28	15	13-18
Open Stone	16	16-22	16	16-22	16	16-22	10	8-12
Heavy Weight	56	56-57	42	42-43	56	56-57	28	28-29
Light Weight	28	28-29	28	28-29	28	28-29	14	14-15
Heavy Hammer	22	22-23	22	22-23	22	22-23	16	16-17
Light Hammer	16	16-17	16	16-17	16	16-17	12	12-13
Sheaf	16	16-17	16	16-17	20	16 or 20	12	12-13
WOB	56	56-57	42	42-43	56	56-57	28	28-29

Weights are reported in pounds. View original table

Critiques:

Its strange that Amateur Men can only throw the 16 and not the 20 in sheaf while Pro Men, it seems, have the option to throw the 16 or the 20 but 20 is preferred.

SHAG

	Men	Women	Masters	Novice	Amateur Men
Braemar Stone	20-26	13-18	No Change	No Change	No Change
Open Stone	16-22	8-12	No Change	No Change	No Change
Heavy Weight	56	28	42	42	No Change
Light Weight	28	14	No Change	No Change	No Change
Heavy Hammer	22	16	No Change	No Change	No Change
Light Hammer	16	12	No Change	No Change	No Change
Sheaf	20	12	16	No Change	16 or 20
WOB	56	56	No Change	No Change	No Change

Weights are reported in pounds. View the page I constructed this table from

Critiques:

Technically it would be possible for men to throw a heavier open stone than Braemar. I think this should be disallowed. Braemar should always be heavier than open. With this addendum I think the ranges are fine.
I don't think SHAG forces women and masters to actually throw the 56 pound for WOB but it is what the site says.
Strange to include Novice for a single event and match them to Masters without matching elsewhere

Scottish Masters

	Men 40-59	Women 40-59	Men 60+	Women 60+
Braemar Stone	22	12	22	12
Open Stone	16	8	16	8
Heavy Weight	42	21	35	14
Light Weight	28	14	21	9
Heavy Hammer	22	16	16	12
Light Hammer	16	12	12	8
Sheaf	?	?	?	?
WOB	42	21	35	14

Weights are reported in pounds. View the page I constructed this table from

Note: This is a Masters organization so they only list masters weights. They are also partnered with Heavy Athlete so their weight matrix got particular favor when creating our own.
Critiques:

This data was pulled from their contested events page and Sheaf is absent. They in fact have records for Sheaf and list the 16 for all men's categories and 10 for all women's categories except for women 80+ which has no sheaf record.

Broken Caber

	Seated		Lower Limb		Upper Limb		Neuro/Muscular
Gender	Men	Women	Men	Women	Men	Women	Men	Women
Braemar Stone	13-18	9-13	20-26	13-18	20-26	13-18	20-26	13-18
Open Stone	8-12	6-10	16-22	8-12	16-22	8-12	16-22	8-12
Heavy Weight	28	14	42	28	42	28	42	28
Light Weight	14	8	28	14	28	14	28	14
Heavy Hammer	16	12	16	12	12	12	16	12
Light Hammer	12	8	12	8	N/A	8	12	8
Sheaf	10	8	16	10	10	8	16	12
WOB	21	14	42	28	42	28	42	28

Weights are reported in pounds. View the page I constructed this table from

Note: This is an adaptive organization so they only list adaptive weights. They are also partnered with Heavy Athlete so their weight matrix got particular favor when creating our own.
Critiques:

For some categories the acceptable ranges for stones mean that technically it would be possible to throw a heavier open stone than Braemar. I think this should be disallowed. Braemar should always be heavier than open. With this addendum I think the ranges are fine.
For adaptive athletes in the Upper Limb Loss category they recommend only using one hammer for safety concerns. I find this to be totally reasonable. However I am unsure about how to report this for rankings. Should I merge Heavy and Light Hammer scores for athletes in this class to make it easier for ADs to enter? Should I overwrite what gets displayed to the screen for pages with this class or just report what the ADs enter? That second option is a large can of worms and if avoidable I would like to avoid that option. Under the women's category both hammers are listed anyway. What do I do about that?